[FAQ] argonet.acorn.voyager

Some thoughts on the FAQ.

1. Whilst I can understand the sentiment regarding
John Alldred is it not time it was removed? John had no connection
with Orpheus, and we should be looking to the future.

2. The web and email addresses should be changed to Orpheus,
especially as the web address given no longer exists.

3. Argonet noticeboard is mentioned but is now defunct.

4. References to Argonet should as a whole be removed as we now belong
to the Orpheus family.

Whilst the above points may seem petty, to us old hands, if Paul wants
to encourage new people, they may well be confused by what appears to
be a wrong FAQ.

Just my 4 penny worth
John

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2006-09-15 07:50:15 UTC

Post by J Peachey
Whilst the above points may seem petty, to us old hands,

Hmm, as an old hand, as you put it, I'd have thought that you'd have known
that a) top posting and then b) quoting the whole of the FAQ were both
frowned upon here.

Mind you, I must agree that the FAQ does need to be brought up to date.

R

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J Peachey

2006-09-15 20:00:24 UTC

Post by Richard Travers

Post by J Peachey
Whilst the above points may seem petty, to us old hands,

Hmm, as an old hand, as you put it, I'd have thought that you'd have known
that a) top posting and then b) quoting the whole of the FAQ were both
frowned upon here.

Please accept my apologies. For both top posting and not snipping.

The only defence that I have is that most of my email is done at work,
where top posting is expected,a nd snipping, well...

[snip]

regards
John

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Bill (Adopt)

2006-09-15 19:51:41 UTC

Post by J Peachey
Some thoughts on the FAQ.

:)) Thank you for noticing! ;))

Post by J Peachey
1. Whilst I can understand the sentiment regarding
John Alldred is it not time it was removed? John had no connection
with Orpheus, and we should be looking to the future.

This Usenet 'newsgroup' is publically known, worldwide,
as argonet.acorn.voyager...

Post by J Peachey
2. The web and email addresses should be changed to Orpheus,
especially as the web address given no longer exists.

Rosemary and I will look at this, now that the ISP changes
have been enacted and so successfully enabled by Paul...

Post by J Peachey
3. Argonet noticeboard is mentioned but is now defunct.

That is only your assumption.

There are also other dormant argonet.*.* 'newsgroups'
to which the FAQs refer - and to which the FAQs
continue to be posted, regularly, every three weeks
as they have been for the last ten or more years...

Post by J Peachey
4. References to Argonet should as a whole be removed as we now belong
to the Orpheus family.

Whilst it is certainly realistic to make Orpheus now visibly
obvious - it is not without general note to retain our history
as it is Usenet that now carries the 'argonet' name...

..(a further note below)..

Post by J Peachey
Whilst the above points may seem petty, to us old hands, if Paul wants
to encourage new people, they may well be confused by what appears to
be a wrong FAQ.

Yes - and as was mentioned some months ago, the
argonet.acorn.voyager newsgroup FAQs will be updated,
once the changes have settled - and the population
ask for it. You may expect that the 'Newsgroups FAQs'
for all Usenet newsgroups sharing the same 'argonet.*.*
heirarchy will be updated at the same time.

This will not /necessarily/ mean the lobotomy of our
first ten or more years of publically accessible history
- which, in both Internet and in Usenet terms indicates
'age', 'experience' and, above all, a clear survival
success that not too many share...!

We might even manage to wangle in some mention of Arpanet
and pre-cedents, along with GB's Prestel - even Micronet -
from circa 1980/1984, just to ensure that no-one thinks
we all arrived 'yesteday'.

(The history of some of us goes back slightly more than
just the last 12 months or so)... ;))

hh

Bill ZFC
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J Peachey

2006-09-15 20:24:25 UTC

Post by J Peachey
Some thoughts on the FAQ.

:)) Thank you for noticing! ;))

Post by J Peachey
1. Whilst I can understand the sentiment regarding
John Alldred is it not time it was removed? John had no connection
with Orpheus, and we should be looking to the future.

This Usenet 'newsgroup' is publically known, worldwide,
as argonet.acorn.voyager...

But how many people outside of our little band actually read the FAQ?

Post by J Peachey
2. The web and email addresses should be changed to Orpheus,
especially as the web address given no longer exists.

Rosemary and I will look at this, now that the ISP changes
have been enacted and so successfully enabled by Paul...

Also the references to Freedom2-argonet.

Post by J Peachey
3. Argonet noticeboard is mentioned but is now defunct.

That is only your assumption.

Hmm. Interesting. If I try to fetch I get the message
argonet.noticeboard does not exist on server dun., and I thought
there had been some problem with argonet.announce.

Post by Bill (Adopt)
There are also other dormant argonet.*.* 'newsgroups'
to which the FAQs refer - and to which the FAQs
continue to be posted, regularly, every three weeks
as they have been for the last ten or more years...

Post by J Peachey
4. References to Argonet should as a whole be removed as we now belong
to the Orpheus family.

Ok I can understand that to a certain point, but perhaps the refernces
to Argonet, should be put into the background with Orpheus being
brought to the fore.

Post by J Peachey
Whilst the above points may seem petty, to us old hands, if Paul wants
to encourage new people, they may well be confused by what appears to
be a wrong FAQ.

I don't remember this. But then again half the time I don't know which
day of the week it is :-)

[snip]

Post by Bill (Adopt)
(The history of some of us goes back slightly more than
just the last 12 months or so)... ;))

Well my history goes back a way, perhaps even a bit too far :-))

John

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Bill (Adopt)

2006-09-15 22:01:43 UTC

[..]

Post by Bill (Adopt)
This Usenet 'newsgroup' is publically known, worldwide,
as argonet.acorn.voyager...

But how many people outside of our little band actually read the FAQ?

Well, we do ..sort of ..or at least you have, which could
well be an increase of at least 100pc in readership! ;))

The reason our Newsgroups FAQs are published, is so that
anyone just joining the particular 'argonet.*.*' newsgroup,
(or argonet.zfc - the Usenet home of The ZFC), can have to
hand an explanation of the groups history, setup, heirarcy
and, in our case deliberately, a code of expected behaviour
et al.

If visitors don't like what they see, then they can remove
themselves painlessly, without disappointment or rancour on
either side...

The Charters and any attendant FAQs are the definition of
each newsgroup - although for many they are lost in the
mists of time. However, for those Usenet groups that still
retain their identity....

Post by J Peachey
2. The web and email addresses should be changed to Orpheus,
especially as the web address given no longer exists.

Rosemary and I will look at this, now that the ISP changes
have been enacted and so successfully enabled by Paul...

Also the references to Freedom2-argonet.

...indeed :)) ..all this will/(is) being looked at.. :))

Post by J Peachey
3. Argonet noticeboard is mentioned but is now defunct.

That is only your assumption.

Hmm. Interesting. If I try to fetch I get the message
argonet.noticeboard does not exist on server dun., and I thought
there had been some problem with argonet.announce.

Difficult one - argonet.noticeboard was there for Members
to advertise - something not allowed in the Charters - as
indeed most Usenet groups do not allow advertising, except
in specified places.

Russell Hafter, for one, made some use of argonet.noticeboard,
as did others very occasionally. There was never any great
traffic - and perhaps Russell would be the one to ask if he
had any holiday sales directly from that group..??

However and just for interest, FAQs were never published by
the FAQ Team for argonet.announce.

<slight aside>
That was the private domain of whoever presumed to
be in charge of ArgoNet, a sub-name of Freedom2,
itself a subsiduary of whatever the original became -
which same, for that matter, is apparently very well
received in 'The City', for those who own shares.

I think when Sir Christopher (Jarman) last went
looking for the details - he was pleasantly surprised
and reported as such in either here, or in c.s.a.misc,
or both...

..but then, not owning shares and without the likes
of Prof John Alldred (RIP) or Reg Hems (RIP) to
worrit the pee out of the Directors, I've lost touch
a little.

If you were to prime Richard Travers as an interested
party, or perhaps Sir Christopher and he has the time -
the two might well like to crew a Challenger MkII to
the next Stockholder's meeting - or the AGM - and find
out what bonus is being added to a shareholder's stock...
</slight aside>...

Post by J Peachey
4. References to Argonet should as a whole be removed as we now belong
to the Orpheus family.

Ok I can understand that to a certain point, but perhaps the refernces
to Argonet, should be put into the background with Orpheus being
brought to the fore.

Well, I would have thought it a little difficult to put
any argonet.*.* name into the background, at least as
part of a newsgroup FAQ (and attendant Charters) for a
/Usenet/ newsgroup proclaiming the heirarchy, 'argonet.*.*'. :))

Even if Orpheus were to disown entirely the 'newsgroups
argonet.*.*', the argonet*.* heirarchy of newsgroups would
still continue to exist ...and will into History, in the
same manner as it is virtually impossible to eradicate any
other newsgroup that has gained a worldwide public access.

It is rumoured, not without substantiation, that there
is a whole worldwide cohort of shadow dwellers and things
that go bump in the night who are utterly devoted to re-
installing newsgroups that have dared become defunct... ;))

This is just a fact of life within the 'Internet'!

Post by J Peachey
Whilst the above points may seem petty, to us old hands, if Paul wants
to encourage new people, they may well be confused by what appears to
be a wrong FAQ.

I don't remember this. But then again half the time I don't know which
day of the week it is :-)

Day of the week aside :)) ..I did indeed make the point
about updating the FAQs a while ago. Somewhere in something
belonging to 'us', I thought !?:))

..but, come to think of it, I can't remember anyone responding
- unless Chika added a comment at the time ..although I can't
now remember who it was, if not he ...perhaps he can??

[..]

Post by Bill (Adopt)
(The history of some of us goes back slightly more than
just the last 12 months or so)... ;))

Well my history goes back a way, perhaps even a bit too far :-))

Now, now! Not suggesting otherwise, John.. :)) Plenty of us old
lags around here, y'know ;))

...and you are still very much here.. :))

hh

Bill ZFC

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