Connection refused, lost or timed out

Post by Ben Crick
All evening since about 5 pm I've been unable to upload any
emails. Downloading proceeds as normal; Newsgroups as normal
up and downloading.

I too have been unable to send or recieve E-mail all evening (Please would
someone who can, tell Paul) I've looked on webmail and I don't appear to
have received any E-mails, but I'm trying to send three, one fairly
urgently.

No problems are reported on the Orpheus status page. I'm using Pluto with
DialUp.

Gillian

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Gillian Bobbett

2006-07-22 21:24:59 UTC

Post by Gillian Bobbett
I too have been unable to send or recieve E-mail all evening

Correction: I have just received two E-mails (one of which was spam) but I
now have four E-mails to send!

Gillian

Ben Crick

2006-07-22 23:05:41 UTC

Post by Ben Crick
Maybe it's a problem with QuickFetch. I'll try doing a full Fetch
and see if the same happens.

No; nothing doing on a full Fetch either. It "fetches" email OK;
but won't upload them. I have three to upload all evening; now it's
after midnight and still no joy.

Ben

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 01:28:08 UTC

No; nothing doing on a full Fetch either. It "fetches" email OK; but
won't upload them. I have three to upload all evening; now it's after
midnight and still no joy.

That's odd. I can't see a problem with anything this end?

Out of interest, what's your IP address? If you visit the status page at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/status/ it will tell you at the top.

Paul

Gillian Bobbett

2006-07-23 08:27:17 UTC

Paul, I'm glad you are now 'on the case'.

This morning I have received E-mails but still cannot send them.

I am looking at the status page now. It says 'your IP address is currently
213.130.143.8'

more info: Using remote port: 49189

HTH

Gillian

Colin Matthews

2006-07-23 08:38:26 UTC

Post by Gillian Bobbett
This morning I have received E-mails but still cannot send them.

Same here, since last night

Post by Gillian Bobbett
I am looking at the status page now. It says 'your IP address is
currently 213.130.143.8'

213.130.143.55

Colin

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Russell Hafter News

2006-07-23 10:09:49 UTC

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2006-07-23 10:12:11 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News

Post by Paul Vigay
Out of interest, what's your IP address? If you visit
the status page at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/status/ it will tell
you at the top.

No response from that URL at 1108.
I shall nevertheless try to forward this to PV by e-mail
too.

No problem sending at all, though I see others have that
problem.

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Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 10:39:20 UTC

No problem sending at all, though I see others have that problem.

Since the server upgrades and moves last week, SMTP is now handled by a
different server - so we're improving all the systems which means that if
POP goes down, people can still send messages and vice versa.

Of course, this /may/ have confused any email clients which cache the IP
addresses of the servers rather than access by name.

Email MTAs (mail transport agents - ie. things like Hermes, Voyager and
POPstar) should always access the servers via name; pop.orpheusnet.co.uk
and smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk and NOT cache the IP addresses of these servers.
Because we now have redundancy and several servers handling the load, the
IP address /may/ change, but connecting via name should always work.

I know some early versions of Hermes had such a problem in that it cached
the IP address and didn't refresh it when you did a mail fetch, which would
cause this problem. However, that was fixed in a later version, so always
make sure you have the latest versions of any software.

Any I type this, everything is working correctly, so people shouldn't be
encountering any problems. If you are, please contact me, either by email
(if you can) or via the web contact form at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/contact/ if the problem is with email.

Paul
(11:39am, Sunday 23rd)

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 10:34:23 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News
No response from that URL at 1108.
I shall nevertheless try to forward this to PV by e-mail too.

I did reboot the server about 20 minutes ago - just to see if that sorted
any problems people were having - so there was a 5 minute window when you
might not have been able to contact anything, whilst it rebooted.

Russell Hafter News

2006-07-23 11:07:07 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News
No response from that URL at 1108.
I shall nevertheless try to forward this to PV by
e-mail too.

I did reboot the server about 20 minutes ago - just to
see if that sorted any problems people were having - so
there was a 5 minute window when you might not have been
able to contact anything, whilst it rebooted.

A bit longer than 5 minutes. Could not log in from 1059 at
the latest until at least 1112, but OK at 1127.

Looks like it was off for at leat 15 minutes.

Ben Crick

2006-07-23 14:49:17 UTC

Post by Paul Vigay
I did reboot the server about 20 minutes ago - just to see if that sorted
any problems people were having - so there was a 5 minute window when you
might not have been able to contact anything, whilst it rebooted.

Dear Paul,

Whatever you did, it seems to have sorted the problem.
I just now successfully uploaded 5 or 6 emails
"Email Sender: 15:37:55 Mail post completed"

Many thanks, as ever!

Ben

Russell Hafter News

2006-07-23 10:59:48 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News

Post by Russell Hafter News
But, problem just restarted here at about 1100

[Snip Log]

Post by Russell Hafter News
OK, I gave up waiting for it to log in after 2.5 minutes,
but that should not be necessary!

Still not working at 1112:36, but working again at the next
autofetch at 1127:36

Post by Paul Vigay
Out of interest, what's your IP address? If you visit
the status page at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/status/ it will tell
you at the top.

Now working at at 1158, IP address 213.218.199.155.

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 11:17:07 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News
Now working at at 1158, IP address 213.218.199.155.

I've been monitoring the server ever since my previous posting, and no
untoward problems seen so far.....

G Robin Edwards

2006-07-23 15:15:39 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News
Now working at at 1158, IP address 213.218.199.155.

I've been monitoring the server ever since my previous posting, and no
untoward problems seen so far.....

Paul,

However, you'll just have to believe us all that there /is/ a problem
for a number of people. I confirmed about 15 minutes ago that News was
working OK and Email Send is not. These are exactly the symptoms that
everyone else is having! :-((

From the number of News items I guess that the existence of the problem
has now been fully established. Looking forward anxiously for the
solution!

Cheers,

Robin

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 14:43:31 UTC

In article <***@argonet.co.uk>,
G Robin Edwards <***@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]

Post by G Robin Edwards
From the number of News items I guess that the existence of the problem
has now been fully established. Looking forward anxiously for the
solution!

Should already be fixed! It looked like a rogue IP address which was not in
our firewall, so we've now checked this against the radius netblocks and
all should be working normally, including for those people who previously
had problems.

Many apologies for the temporary inconvenience.

Paul

Dr Peter Young

2006-07-23 15:11:58 UTC

Post by Paul Vigay
[Snip]

Post by G Robin Edwards
From the number of News items I guess that the existence of the problem
has now been fully established. Looking forward anxiously for the
solution!

Looks all OK here at present, and I'm glad it turned out there was a
problem, and it wasn't something I was doing wrong. I hope everyone
else's problems are solved too.

Many thanks again for a superb level of support.

With best wishes,

Peter.

G Robin Edwards

2006-07-23 15:23:29 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News
Now working at at 1158, IP address 213.218.199.155.

I've been monitoring the server ever since my previous posting, and no
untoward problems seen so far.....

Well, it's now 15.22 on Sunday, and two minutes ago I could and did send
a News item, but the 4 emails in my outgoing box are still there :-((

So, the problem is not resolved yet. I'll try again now (15.24).

Robin

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 14:44:14 UTC

Post by G Robin Edwards
So, the problem is not resolved yet. I'll try again now (15.24).

Should all be fixed and working - 3:43pm

If not, please visit the status page and let me know your connecting IP
address.

G Robin Edwards

2006-07-23 15:27:48 UTC

Post by Russell Hafter News
Now working at at 1158, IP address 213.218.199.155.

I've been monitoring the server ever since my previous posting, and no
untoward problems seen so far.....

Following up my News item of 3 minutes ago, I have just logged in again
and Lo! the mail send button was active, and my impatient emails seem to
have been accepted :-))

I'd like to know, in due course, what went wrong and how it was sorted
out.

Cheers (and a much more cheerful) Robin

Robin Edwards

2006-10-29 17:41:14 UTC

Still problems, here, unfortunately.

Yesterday seemed to be OK but the number of emails nevertheless was way
below what I'm used to getting. - mainly ZFC-Chat of course!

Just now I signed on, the line speed being very good, but the connection
timed out after 42 seconds total - that is including authentication.
There was no connection at all to News Groups. Voyager's log showed "42
new emails have arrived" but all that actually came through were eleven.

My telephone line seems to be perfect as far as I can tell, so I have to
presume that the problem lies elsewhere.

I shall try again now, approx 16.40 GMT, hoping for more success.

Cheers,

Robin

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Robin Edwards

2006-10-29 22:32:45 UTC

Post by Robin Edwards
Still problems, here, unfortunately.

Replying to myself (Oh dear!)

Just tried sending another News posting, after further failures, and LO!
all seems to be OK again.

What's more, the download speed was up to what I think it should be,
after some days when it seemed to be sluggish, to put it mildly. Is
this all a matter of chance, or has something significant happened?

Robin

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Ben Crick

2006-07-23 08:41:02 UTC

Post by Paul Vigay
That's odd. I can't see a problem with anything this end?
Out of interest, what's your IP address? If you visit the status page at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/status/ it will tell you at the top.

After getting the dreaded "Fresco has suffered internal error Type 5
and must exit immediately" I tried again.

The IP address is currently 213.130.143.9 according to the Status page.
Is this the wrong one? And if it is wrong, why was it working OK right
up to yesterday afternoon?

How can I reset the IP address to the correct one? I seem to
remember having to tweak something in the SMTP once before?
Has it become untweaked somehow?

Confused...

Ben

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 16:06:07 UTC

Post by Ben Crick
The IP address is currently 213.130.143.9 according to the Status page.
Is this the wrong one? And if it is wrong, why was it working OK right
up to yesterday afternoon?
How can I reset the IP address to the correct one? I seem to remember
having to tweak something in the SMTP once before? Has it become
untweaked somehow?

You can't tweak the IP address shown on the status page. That's
automatically assigned to you when you dialup and connect to the internet.

We just need to ensure that all possible blocks of IP addresses for dialup
connectivity are correctly configured in the firewall. A little while ago,
our upstream 0845 connectivity provider added some more IP blocks to the
access, so it's possible that some have slipped through our firewall.

Is it working now though?

Ben Crick

2006-07-23 18:52:00 UTC

Post by Paul Vigay
Is it working now though?

Yes, just fine! Thanks, Paul!

Ben

Alexr

2006-07-23 14:40:58 UTC

I'm afraid this is just another me too for the thread, but then it seems I
can't email Paul as my failed mail send may be more than just a passing
glitch... I'm using ANT suite to connect, dial-up from St Albans.

No; nothing doing on a full Fetch either. It "fetches" email OK; but
won't upload them. I have three to upload all evening; now it's after
midnight and still no joy.

That's odd. I can't see a problem with anything this end?
Out of interest, what's your IP address? If you visit the status page at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/status/ it will tell you at the top.

Tried at 13:21 and again at 14:33, both ending with connection refused:

smtp 'smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk' resolved ok - waiting for connection response
ERR smtp receive error (Connection refused)

My IP address for the session: 213.130.146.202

Last successfull send from here was on Thursday at 23:50, my session IP
address being 213.130.146.204

Am receiving POP mail just fine - unfortunately mostly from phishers and
junk share tipsters.

I'll have another try whilst sending this...

Quick on-line update:
Worked OK; also: Ping smtp.co.uk (216.34.131.135)

Alex.

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Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 16:07:32 UTC

Post by Alexr
I'm afraid this is just another me too for the thread, but then it seems
I can't email Paul as my failed mail send may be more than just a passing
glitch... I'm using ANT suite to connect, dial-up from St Albans.

If you're having problems emailing me direct, you could always submit an
email via the contact page on the website - or login to webmail and try
from there.

Alexr

2006-07-24 22:35:11 UTC

Post by Alexr
I'm afraid this is just another me too for the thread, but then it
seems I can't email Paul as my failed mail send may be more than just
a passing glitch... I'm using ANT suite to connect, dial-up from St
Albans.

If you're having problems emailing me direct, you could always submit an
email via the contact page on the website - or login to webmail and try
from there.

I am sure I would have found the round tuit in time, but the time needed
to locate said round tuit is proportional to newsgroup traffic on the
problem and inversely proportional to its perceived importance. :-)

Alex.

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Dr J E Hurley

2006-07-23 19:12:07 UTC

Just to remind us all that these things happen to other ISPs. Have been
trying to connect to Yahoo e-mail from RPC and PC laptop without any success
all day. They don't have a nice friendly newsgroup where I can whinge about
it!

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Dr Peter Young

2006-07-23 19:22:51 UTC

Post by Dr J E Hurley
Just to remind us all that these things happen to other ISPs. Have been
trying to connect to Yahoo e-mail from RPC and PC laptop without any success
all day. They don't have a nice friendly newsgroup where I can whinge about
it!

Just goes to show how lucky we Orpheans are! :-)

With best wishes,

Peter.

Russell Hafter News

2006-07-23 19:41:48 UTC

Post by Dr J E Hurley
Just to remind us all that these things happen to other
ISPs. Have been trying to connect to Yahoo e-mail from
RPC and PC laptop without any success all day. They don't
have a nice friendly newsgroup where I can whinge about
it!

Indeed. While the link to my Orpheus e-mail was off for
about 15 minutes this morning, that to my
totalise/madasafish e-mail and hosted website was off for a
couple of hours this afternoon.

No hiccups with the other 10 e-mail boxes, but they all have
little local difficulties at some time or other.

Paul Vigay

2006-07-23 20:39:59 UTC

Post by Dr J E Hurley
all day. They don't have a nice friendly newsgroup where I can whinge
about it!

And a nice friendly support chappy who is on hand all day Sundays! :-)

Bill (Adopt)

2006-07-24 01:12:41 UTC

Post by Dr J E Hurley
all day. They don't have a nice friendly newsgroup where I can whinge
about it!

And a nice friendly support chappy who is on hand all day Sundays! :-)

When not around 24/7 and a bit... ;))

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Paul Vigay

2006-07-24 07:19:42 UTC

Post by Bill (Adopt)
When not around 24/7 and a bit... ;))

Ahhh, but not everyone phones me up for support at 3am.... ;-))

Bill (Adopt)

2006-07-25 00:22:11 UTC

Post by Bill (Adopt)
When not around 24/7 and a bit... ;))

Ahhh, but not everyone phones me up for support at 3am.... ;-))

..or a superbly gifted answer machine.. ;))

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Robin Edwards

2006-10-29 20:27:57 UTC

Unfortunately I have to report that as far as I'm concerned today
Newsgroups have been terra incognita.

I have tried sending a message but all that Voyager does is to display
its red lamps for News fetch and News send. Perhaps I'll be lucky this
time.

Whatever happens it is worth while trying to signal that the system has
not been performing correctly. Has anyone else suffered from this
problem today? (Sunday).

So, now to try again (21.27 GMT)

Robin

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Paul Vigay

2006-10-29 20:34:17 UTC

Post by Robin Edwards
Whatever happens it is worth while trying to signal that the system has
not been performing correctly. Has anyone else suffered from this
problem today? (Sunday).

Have you tried connecting using software other than Voyager?

I've been connected all day here and suffered no problems with mail at all
- with POPStar doing a mail fetch every 5 minutes.

News has been temporamental tonight because someone is attacking our server
in a denial of service attack! :-(
I've just traced their IP address and blocked them, so hopefully it should
be back up and running again at the moment. I'm continuing to monitor it
here.
It was working normally, except that it was being flooded with connections
so you may have been getting "too many users connected" messages, even
though there weren't too many users (it was one person making multiple
connections).

Paul

J Peachey

2006-10-30 20:52:01 UTC

Post by Robin Edwards
Whatever happens it is worth while trying to signal that the system has
not been performing correctly. Has anyone else suffered from this
problem today? (Sunday).

This may seem a stupid question. But what is the point of these denial
of service attacks? Are they trying to break your security software
and gain use of the server, or is something even more inane? Whatever
the answer they want boiling in something :)
John

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Paul Vigay

2006-10-30 21:02:03 UTC

Post by J Peachey
This may seem a stupid question. But what is the point of these denial
of service attacks? Are they trying to break your security software and
gain use of the server, or is something even more inane? Whatever the
answer they want boiling in something :)

No. They don't gain access to the server, or even break it. The point(?) of
a denial of service attack is merely that of inconvenience. By attempting
100s of connections to the news server, it thinks it's overloaded and too
many people are connected, therefore legitimate people are locked out until
it's less busy.

I agree that they need boiling in something though.

J Peachey

2006-10-30 21:56:33 UTC

So they waste valuable time, and resources - merely to... stop other
people from doing whatever they want to. Well that is sad or
something.

Post by Paul Vigay
I agree that they need boiling in something though.

Thanks for clearing that up. It seems even more pointless than I had
thought.

regards

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Robin Edwards

2006-10-30 21:45:40 UTC

Post by Robin Edwards
Whatever happens it is worth while trying to signal that the system
has not been performing correctly. Has anyone else suffered from
this problem today? (Sunday).

Have you tried connecting using software other than Voyager?

I have nothing suitable. Suggestions, please, though Voyager has worked
very well for me over the last 10 years.

Post by Paul Vigay
I've been connected all day here and suffered no problems with mail at
all - with POPStar doing a mail fetch every 5 minutes.

What a way to spend your weekend!

Post by Paul Vigay
News has been temporamental tonight because someone is attacking our
server in a denial of service attack! :-( I've just traced their IP
address and blocked them, so hopefully it should be back up and
running again at the moment. I'm continuing to monitor it here. It was
working normally, except that it was being flooded with connections so
you may have been getting "too many users connected" messages, even
though there weren't too many users (it was one person making multiple
connections).

Is there no way of real internet users getting rid of such parasites?

Thanks for your reply, downloaded this evening (Monday)

Robin

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Dr Peter Young

2006-10-30 22:29:25 UTC

[Posted and mailed]

Post by Robin Edwards

Post by Robin Edwards
Whatever happens it is worth while trying to signal that the system
has not been performing correctly. Has anyone else suffered from
this problem today? (Sunday).

Have you tried connecting using software other than Voyager?

I have nothing suitable. Suggestions, please, though Voyager has worked
very well for me over the last 10 years.

There's a standing invitation to come here and see Messenger and
NetFetch in action :-)

Have you gone broadband yet? If not, you won't regret it, I promise.

With best wishes,

Peter.

John Nolan

2006-11-13 13:09:24 UTC

Post by Robin Edwards
I have nothing suitable. Suggestions, please, though Voyager has worked
very well for me over the last 10 years.

There's a standing invitation to come here and see Messenger and
NetFetch in action :-)

Well, thank you, Peter, for your invitation to me, too, on another
NewsThread/Group. I don't think I ever thanked you.

I seem to rmember that my problem with Messenger started with my buying it
at a SW show and R-Comp in some way setting it up, but my never being able
to get it going.

I would certainly like to have something else in my "kitty" apart from just
good 'ole Voyager, which has done me proud for 10 years.

To be fair to R-comp they did say, "Don't hesitate to ring us".

Maybe part of my problem is/was that I have alwsys been with Voyager and so
don't know anything else. I found the interaction, or whatever, between
R-Comp's DialUp, Messagner Pro and WebsterXL difficult to "get into".

With Voyager, you are spoiled, the suite seems "seemless". All you had to do
is to click on the appropriate Voyager header icon.

Re. Internet I have had some success with Oregano for access to SSL sites.

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2006-11-14 17:42:17 UTC

Post by John Nolan

Post by Robin Edwards
I have nothing suitable. Suggestions, please, though Voyager has worked
very well for me over the last 10 years.

There's a standing invitation to come here and see Messenger and
NetFetch in action :-)

Voyager was good, but NetFetch (or DialUp) and Messenger (or Pluto)
are a lot better.

Post by John Nolan
To be fair to R-comp they did say, "Don't hesitate to ring us".

And they do mean it; Andrew @ RComp is just as helpful and
approachable as out own Paul is. I never had problems with setting up
Messenger (it's really just a question of RTFM!) but he very patiently
talked me through setting up the router, in spite of silly mistakes I
kept making.

Post by John Nolan
Maybe part of my problem is/was that I have alwsys been with Voyager
and so don't know anything else. I found the interaction, or whatever,
between R-Comp's DialUp, Messagner Pro and WebsterXL difficult to "get
into".

Don't bother with WebsterXL! For the others, just ask Andrew (or come
and visit here!). And get NetSurf, and keep Oregano for what NetSurf
won't cope with.

With best wishes,

Peter.

Tennant Stuart

2006-11-15 18:01:00 UTC

Post by John Nolan

I have nothing suitable. Suggestions, please, though Voyager has
worked very well for me over the last 10 years.

There's a standing invitation to come here and see Messenger and
NetFetch in action :-)

Voyager was good, but NetFetch (or DialUp) and Messenger (or Pluto)
are a lot better.

I'm using DialUp on the Iyonix, but it's not very impressive. However, I
think that NetSurf is coming along nicely, it beats Oregano hands down.

Post by John Nolan
To be fair to R-comp they did say, "Don't hesitate to ring us".

approachable as out own Paul is. I never had problems with setting up
Messenger (it's really just a question of RTFM!) but he very patiently
talked me through setting up the router, in spite of silly mistakes I
kept making.

Well, we never managed to get Messenger going, and don't get me started
about Pluto. By contrast, Voyager worked very well straight out of the
box, and I find Fresco to be extremely reliable. It's just a shame that
when something blows up at the BT/ISP end, Voyager gets blamed first.

Tennant Stuart

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2006-11-16 18:36:34 UTC

Post by Tennant Stuart

Post by Dr Peter Young
Voyager was good, but NetFetch (or DialUp) and Messenger (or Pluto)
are a lot better.

I'm using DialUp on the Iyonix, but it's not very impressive.

What's wrong with it? Apart from the internal copies of POPstar and
NewsHound (which can be trivially replaced with more up-to-date
ones), it seems to be perfectly functional.

Post by Tennant Stuart
However, I think that NetSurf is coming along nicely, it beats
Oregano hands down.

Post by John Nolan
To be fair to R-comp they did say, "Don't hesitate to ring us".

approachable as out own Paul is. I never had problems with setting
up Messenger (it's really just a question of RTFM!) but he very
patiently talked me through setting up the router, in spite of
silly mistakes I kept making.

Well, we never managed to get Messenger going, and don't get me
started about Pluto. By contrast, Voyager worked very well straight
out of the box,

Voyager itself may have worked, but Posty and NewsAgent are very much
"entry level" versions of decent Mail/News clients.

Post by Tennant Stuart
and I find Fresco to be extremely reliable.

As I have mentioned before, you are one of the lucky ones. For the
unlucky ones (such as myself), it's one of the most unreliable piece of
software I've ever encountered on RISC OS. It's certainly the most
unreliable commercial software I've encountered on RISC OS.

--
Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Vic Smith

2006-11-14 19:43:14 UTC

I have just(19.20 and 19.30) had two attempts to upload email fail for this
reason, using Posty and dial-up. Is anyone else having this problem
tonight ?

V.N. Smith

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Vic Smith

2006-11-14 19:44:51 UTC

Of course it's now worked

Sod's Law strikes again

V.N. Smith

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Peter Paddison

2006-10-30 08:43:46 UTC