Posty 1.40 now available

[pv]

Posty v1.40 is now available to download, from
http://www.vigay.com/voyager/extraemails.html

As you may guess from the URL, there is also a utility (imaginatively
called !VoyEmail) which will allow you to simply enable/disable extra email
addresses.

Instructions (and a bit of background information) is provided at the URL
above.

Please let me know if you encounter any problems - I've tried to make it as
simple as possible.

Paul

[Mr C Price]

Post by pv
Posty v1.40 is now available to download, from
http://www.vigay.com/voyager/extraemails.html
As you may guess from the URL, there is also a utility (imaginatively
called !VoyEmail) which will allow you to simply enable/disable extra
email addresses.
Instructions (and a bit of background information) is provided at the URL
above.
Please let me know if you encounter any problems - I've tried to make it
as simple as possible.

Wooo!!! How simple was that?? Just selected and deleted 2 unwanted email
addresses in moments.

Thanks, Paul!!

Chris.

[pv]

Post by Mr C Price
Wooo!!! How simple was that?? Just selected and deleted 2 unwanted email
addresses in moments.

Excellent. :-)
Sorry it's taken so long - there aren't enough hours in the day!

[Dr J E Hurley]

I have created 2 new address at an argonet domain from which I have sent
mail, although I have not received mail I have sent to these addresses.

This raises some questions:
The ease with which non-existent addresses can be used to send mail:
The possbility of me impersonating another argonet or orpheus user and
causing annoyance - to say the least.
The possibility of me setting up an address to intercept other peoples mail.

I am sure there are safeguards against some of these - but not, clearly,
all.

[Tennant Stuart]

Post by pv
Posty v1.40 is now available to download, from
http://www.vigay.com/voyager/extraemails.html
As you may guess from the URL, there is also a utility (imaginatively
called !VoyEmail) which will allow you to simply enable/disable extra
email addresses.
Instructions (and a bit of background information) is provided at the
URL above.
Please let me know if you encounter any problems - I've tried to make it
as simple as possible.

I've upgraded to Posty v1.40, and the first thing I've found is that
of my two email addresses, the orpheusnet one has become orpheusmail
like the other one, and it now receives new emails like the Argonet
days, but not since changing to Orpheus.

I now have two identical email addresses with different names - if I
delete one of them, what happens to the received/stored/logged emails?

Also, I've created a third orpheusmail address, and used it to send an
email to my original address, which was received in minutes. However,
when that address sent a reply back to the new address, nothing has ever
arrived, and this is a few days later.

And can I create working addresses that are nothing like orpheusmail?


Tennant

[Tennant Stuart]

Post by Tennant Stuart

Post by pv
Posty v1.40 is now available to download, from
http://www.vigay.com/voyager/extraemails.html
As you may guess from the URL, there is also a utility (imaginatively
called !VoyEmail) which will allow you to simply enable/disable extra
email addresses.
Instructions (and a bit of background information) is provided at the
URL above.
Please let me know if you encounter any problems - I've tried to make it
as simple as possible.

I've upgraded to Posty v1.40, and the first thing I've found is that
of my two email addresses, the orpheusnet one has become orpheusmail
like the other one, and it now receives new emails like the Argonet
days, but not since changing to Orpheus.
I now have two identical email addresses with different names - if I
delete one of them, what happens to the received/stored/logged emails?
Also, I've created a third orpheusmail address, and used it to send an
email to my original address, which was received in minutes. However,
when that address sent a reply back to the new address, nothing has ever
arrived, and this is a few days later.
And can I create working addresses that are nothing like orpheusmail?

Also I'm now getting a *lot* fewer emails, particularly to the address
which used to be on orpheusnet, for example the Iyonix mailing list.


Tennant

[Dr J E Hurley]

Post by Tennant Stuart
Also, I've created a third orpheusmail address, and used it to send an
email to my original address, which was received in minutes. However,
when that address sent a reply back to the new address, nothing has ever
arrived, and this is a few days later.
And can I create working addresses that are nothing like orpheusmail?

From judicious experimentation I have found that you can create new
addresses to send mail, but not to receive it unless it is registered with
Argo / Orpheus - I found this when I revived an old registered address and
found I could send mail to it. I am not sure yet whether I can receive mail
from domains which are forwarded to my argo address directly.

The identical mail box address problem arose for me when I transfered to
orpheus. I had a back-up of my old addresses (only two out of the four) and
I switched these around - hey presto all four current addresses in the
Voyager window present and correct.

John

[Tennant Stuart]

Post by Dr J E Hurley

Post by Tennant Stuart
Also, I've created a third orpheusmail address, and used it to send an
email to my original address, which was received in minutes. However,
when that address sent a reply back to the new address, nothing has ever
arrived, and this is a few days later.
And can I create working addresses that are nothing like orpheusmail?

From judicious experimentation I have found that you can create new
addresses to send mail, but not to receive it unless it is registered
with Argo / Orpheus - I found this when I revived an old registered
address and found I could send mail to it. I am not sure yet whether I
can receive mail from domains which are forwarded to my argo address
directly.
The identical mail box address problem arose for me when I transfered to
orpheus. I had a back-up of my old addresses (only two out of the four)
and I switched these around - hey presto all four current addresses in
the Voyager window present and correct.

Thanks John - is Paul Vigay going to do anything about this? Hello?


STOP PRESS: My Iyonix mailing list just started coming through!


Tennant

[pv]

Post by Dr J E Hurley
From judicious experimentation I have found that you can create new
addresses to send mail, but not to receive it unless it is registered
with Argo / Orpheus - I found this when I revived an old registered
address and found I could send mail to it. I am not sure yet whether I
can receive mail from domains which are forwarded to my argo address
directly.

Yes, there's no error checking in !VoyEmail to ensure you enter a valid
email address. However, any valid email address, including domains
forwarded to your POP box should work ok.

Post by Dr J E Hurley
I switched these around - hey presto all four current addresses in the
Voyager window present and correct.

Excellent. :-)

Paul

[Dr J E Hurley]

Post by pv
Yes, there's no error checking in !VoyEmail to ensure you enter a valid
email address.

As I said in my previous posting, this does raise the question of use by
people to send e-mails from false addresses or to impersonate other people
or organisations. Common I know, but not quite RiscOs community...or is it?

John

[pv]

Post by Dr J E Hurley
As I said in my previous posting, this does raise the question of use by
people to send e-mails from false addresses or to impersonate other
people or organisations. Common I know, but not quite RiscOs
community...or is it?

I think the people who are likely to do that are a) probably not using
Posty[1] and b) would know how to edit outgoing mails to have a false
address anyway.

I believe in choice and freedom (as in speech), so build such flexibility
into software I update - how people use (or misuse) it is down to them.

Paul
[1] Pluto and MessengerPro both already include such a feature.

[Dr J E Hurley]

Post by pv
I think the people who are likely to do that are a) probably not using
Posty[1] and b) would know how to edit outgoing mails to have a false
address anyway.

... or have the inclination. I guess you are right there.

John

[pv]

I've upgraded to Posty v1.40, and the first thing I've found is that of
my two email addresses, the orpheusnet one has become orpheusmail like
the other one, and it now receives new emails like the Argonet days, but
not since changing to Orpheus.

"Orpheusnet.co.uk" and "Orpheus.co.uk" are not valid domains. They should
be orpheusmail or orpheusinternet. A complete list of available domains is
at http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/support/argonetfaq.html

I now have two identical email addresses with different names - if I
delete one of them, what happens to the received/stored/logged emails?

I'd make a backup first just in case, as it's probably difficult to tell
which one of the two will be deleted.

Also, I've created a third orpheusmail address, and used it to send an
email to my original address, which was received in minutes. However,
when that address sent a reply back to the new address, nothing has ever
arrived, and this is a few days later.

No. You can only use valid email addresses when setting it up. However, it
will allow you to enter whatever you want (may be handy for setting up fake
'anti spam' addresses).

And can I create working addresses that are nothing like orpheusmail?

No. Not unless you own the domain in question, or have an Orpheus email
address pointing to your pop box.

Paul

[Tennant Stuart]

Post by pv

I've upgraded to Posty v1.40, and the first thing I've found is that of
my two email addresses, the orpheusnet one has become orpheusmail like
the other one, and it now receives new emails like the Argonet days, but
not since changing to Orpheus.

"Orpheusnet.co.uk" and "Orpheus.co.uk" are not valid domains.

The second of those is just this post's antispamming, but the first one most
certainly is valid - or at least it was until very recently. I can show you
many emails posted from my address on orpheusnet.co.uk and even some received
by me from other users on that selfsame domain.

Post by pv
They should be orpheusmail or orpheusinternet. A complete list of
available domains is at
http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/support/argonetfaq.html

I used to have two addresses, one on orpheusmail and one on orpheusnet.

They BOTH worked.

After upgrading to Posty v1.40, and using the utility, I now have three
addresses, and all of them are on orpheusmail.

Only one of them works, the other two are faulty.

Post by pv

I now have two identical email addresses with different names - if I
delete one of them, what happens to the received/stored/logged emails?

I'd make a backup first just in case, as it's probably difficult to tell
which one of the two will be deleted.

Okay.

Post by pv

Also, I've created a third orpheusmail address, and used it to send an
email to my original address, which was received in minutes. However,
when that address sent a reply back to the new address, nothing has ever
arrived, and this is a few days later.

No. You can only use valid email addresses when setting it up.

I thought it was a valid email address (see above).

Post by pv
However, it will allow you to enter whatever you want (may be handy for
setting up fake 'anti spam' addresses).

How can it be whatever I want, and fake, while still being valid?

Post by pv

And can I create working addresses that are nothing like orpheusmail?

No. Not unless you own the domain in question,

Which I don't.

Post by pv
or have an Orpheus email address pointing to your pop box.

I don't understand what that means.


Tennant

[pv]

Post by Tennant Stuart
The second of those is just this post's antispamming, but the first one
most certainly is valid - or at least it was until very recently. I can
show you many emails posted from my address on orpheusnet.co.uk and even
some received by me from other users on that selfsame domain.

orpheusnet.co.uk is a valid domain but you won't receive any email sent to
it, because our server won't forward it.

Post by Tennant Stuart
After upgrading to Posty v1.40, and using the utility, I now have three
addresses, and all of them are on orpheusmail.
Only one of them works, the other two are faulty.

Which ones are they? If you drop me a private email I can check to see
which aliases you have setup.

Although !VoyEmails will allow you to create/disable whatever email
addresses you want, the only ones that will work are those that have been
setup on the Orpheus server. If you create a new email address and I
haven't set it up at this end, then return emails will bounce.

Post by Tennant Stuart
How can it be whatever I want, and fake, while still being valid?

For instance, you could create ***@orpheusmail.co.uk and
***@orpheusmail.co.uk - and both would be 'valid' but fake (ie. emails
sent to them would bounce). If however, you asked me to setup
***@orpheusmail.co.uk then that would be valid AND genuine, whereas the
former would still be fake and mails wouldn't be returned.

Post by Tennant Stuart
I don't understand what that means.

Basically, all posty does is filter mails sent to different addresses to
local users. POPFetch will actually download the messages in your POP box
from the Orpheus server onto your computer (for Posty to subsequently pick
up).

At the Orpheus end, I can setup various email aliases which will merely
forward into your POP box. If an email is not aliased to your pop box it
will bounce.

POPFetch has no concept of email addresses. It merely picks up anything in
your POP box on the server. Posty then filters accordingly into your local
users accounts.
If an alias isn't configured at the server end, then it won't be placed in
your POP box in the first place, and you don't receive the email.

Paul

[Tennant Stuart]

Post by pv

Post by Tennant Stuart
The second of those is just this post's antispamming, but the first one
most certainly is valid - or at least it was until very recently. I can
show you many emails posted from my address on orpheusnet.co.uk and even
some received by me from other users on that selfsame domain.

orpheusnet.co.uk is a valid domain but you won't receive any email sent to
it, because our server won't forward it.

But it *did* receive emails, in fact it received the most.

I think what might have been happening is that you set up some kind of
link to forward mail into my orpheusnet address.

Post by pv

Post by Tennant Stuart
After upgrading to Posty v1.40, and using the utility, I now have three
addresses, and all of them are on orpheusmail.
Only one of them works, the other two are faulty.

Which ones are they? If you drop me a private email I can check to see
which aliases you have setup.

Okay, thanks.

Post by pv
Although !VoyEmails will allow you to create/disable whatever email
addresses you want, the only ones that will work are those that have been
setup on the Orpheus server. If you create a new email address and I
haven't set it up at this end, then return emails will bounce.

It would make life easier for you if your new utility sent an email to
your server thingie to initiate automatic processing if possible.

Post by pv

Post by Tennant Stuart
How can it be whatever I want, and fake, while still being valid?

sent to them would bounce). If however, you asked me to setup
the former would still be fake and mails wouldn't be returned.

OIC, the whatever-I-want facility refers to the pre-@sign part only.

Can you set up some 'secret' domain names that don't look anything like
the Orpheus ones, and in fact don't even look British?

I've looked at the names on the FAQ, but they're not different enough.

Post by pv

Post by Tennant Stuart
I don't understand what that means.

Basically, all posty does is filter mails sent to different addresses to
local users. POPFetch will actually download the messages in your POP box
from the Orpheus server onto your computer (for Posty to subsequently pick
up).
At the Orpheus end, I can setup various email aliases which will merely
forward into your POP box. If an email is not aliased to your pop box it
will bounce.
POPFetch has no concept of email addresses. It merely picks up anything in
your POP box on the server. Posty then filters accordingly into your local
users accounts.
If an alias isn't configured at the server end, then it won't be placed in
your POP box in the first place, and you don't receive the email.

So the addresses are significant at the start & end of the process, but
not in the middle where POPfetch works. I think you (Orpheus) could do a
great deal more with aliases, and if the new utility is modified as I've
suggested above, then you (Paul) wouldn't have any extra workload. :)


Tennant

[Russell Hafter News]

Post by pv
orpheusnet.co.uk is a valid domain but you won't receive
any email sent to it, because our server won't forward it.

All I can say is that mail forwarded to my orpheus a/c using
the address ***@orpheusnet.co.uk most certainly does
arrive, including the spam.

[Mr C Price]

Post by Russell Hafter News

Post by pv
orpheusnet.co.uk is a valid domain but you won't receive
any email sent to it, because our server won't forward it.

All I can say is that mail forwarded to my orpheus a/c using
arrive, including the spam.

And that seems to include a dickens of a lot of spam which has been garnered
using argonet email addresses too!!

Leastwise that's been my recent experience.

Chris.

[Russell Hafter News]

In article

Post by Mr C Price
And that seems to include a dickens of a lot of spam
which has been garnered using argonet email addresses
too!!

My spam was *not* sent originally to Orpheus, but to one of
my business domains, which I had temporarily diverted to
Orpheus.

Sadly, Orpheus' filters did not get rid of it.